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March 11, 2008 at 4:42 am #47153
Warren B. Musselman
ModeratorWhen I use locktite, I typically use the green because I generally do want the part to come apart eventually. Otherwise I use CA or epoxy.
I’m a bigger fan of U-bolts than eye-nuts personally. As I said in an earlier post, my L3 project is using eye-nuts and I’m drilling and pinning them so they don’t un-thread.
I’m no ME Bruce – not event close. When it comes to mechanical things, I’m a seat of the pants kinda guy armed with a few rules of thumb. Electronics and software are a completely different thing and even that is becoming a thing of the past. IT is rotting my brain. I’m an EE with a CompSci minor who still kinda sorta remembers how to use a slide rule. I did learn Fortran using punch cards though back in 75.
Warren
March 11, 2008 at 5:20 am #47154Conway Stevens
ParticipantWhen I use locktite, I typically use the green because I generally do want the part to come apart eventually. Otherwise I use CA or epoxy.
I sell TONS of loctite (Just about anything they make) There are 2 Main forms of green. One is a sleeve retainer like used for putting a cylinder sleeve in the engine of a car. The other green they make is a penetrating formula for all ready assembled parts. Its designed to go in and penetrate the threads and lock them tight. The Permatex Corp. makes a lot of stuff (Parent Company of Loctite products) There are some other formulas of green but(and blue and red) but all specific application materials. Like 3M, Permatex is a very large company.
March 11, 2008 at 5:23 am #47155Bruce R. Schaefer
I did learn Fortran using punch cards though back in 75.
I used Fortran IV back in 1970! Ever drop your cards? 🙄 I can get the blue apart, and I just use the red on joints I don’t want coming apart. Guys, I’m not aware of the green… ❓
March 11, 2008 at 6:02 am #47156Art Hoag
ParticipantNo welded aluminum rockets, or in other words no rockets constructed primarily of metals at commercial launches. No reason to do that anyways, composites and other forms of construction are easily strong enough to meet the demands of a rocket, they also weigh a lot less.
Art
Unless you are the BEE team….if you know what I mean!
Ha! That will never happen again, I mean BEE will never fly at our sites again as long as I am alive.
Art
March 11, 2008 at 6:13 am #47157Conway Stevens
ParticipantNo welded aluminum rockets, or in other words no rockets constructed primarily of metals at commercial launches. No reason to do that anyways, composites and other forms of construction are easily strong enough to meet the demands of a rocket, they also weigh a lot less.
Art
Unless you are the BEE team….if you know what I mean!
Ha! That will never happen again, I mean BEE will never fly at our sites again as long as I am alive.
Art
THUG SMASH!
March 11, 2008 at 7:00 am #47158Bruce R. Schaefer
You guys are killing me… any pictures?
March 11, 2008 at 1:31 pm #47159Warren B. Musselman
ModeratorNow we’re wandering pretty far afield from where this started which was John looking for a 3/8″ eye nut and then apparently on the flavors and colors of Locktite.
I was particularly found of the look on Joe Latrell when I told him I’d give him the GPS coords of the BEE bird out on the prairie in return for $50 for the gas and a $200 donation to NCR. They stopped by my house in Longmont on their way up to the site, wrote me a check and went to pick up their bird. Along the way they pissed off at least one rancher too. Actually, while those guys may have rubbed us the wrong way for a variety of reasons, I can’t fault their motivation. They’ve developed a bird quite different from the run of HPR technology on their own and from the ground up. So far, they’ve had more successful flights than failures. Hell, they gave James an excuse to build an O motor, you can’t complain about that.
Warren
March 11, 2008 at 2:42 pm #47160Anonymous
Now we’re wandering pretty far afield from where this started which was John looking for a 3/8″ eye nut …
Yes, my “brother-can-you-spare-a-3/8″-lifing-eye” thread got some legs, but back on topic — I thought of something else regarding the loctite, the un-threading, etc. On high-dollar projects where I have room, I do one utterly simple thing… I run a screw or tiny eyebolt into the bulkhead, and then I use a zip-tie between that and the lifting eye. Thattaway it doesn’t unwind. It is a $0.79 solution to a $600 problem.
Just for good measure, I also use lock washers, loctite, and my triceps. The zip tie makes it pretty much a done deal.
JW
March 11, 2008 at 3:13 pm #47161Mike Bennett
Here is my two cents. Use what you are going to use. Every method has pros and cons. The strength of todays bolt material is sufficient enough for most of todays projects. I also have seen in both mount systems that have gotten ripped out say during powered accent and the chute comes out and subjects the rocket to some severe forces. I have seen eye bolts bend, rip and tear, I have seen them get ripped out of motor cases. I have seen lifting eye pull threads and let go. I have seen u-bolts get ripped out of…yes…G10 and plywood. Most people use all thread with lifting eyes, that is the weak spot on that design as all thread is rated less than a grade 1 strength. So stop arguing over which system is better. They both work the about the same. Use what works for you.
Me I would use lock nuts. Loctite is a great product but can be a pain to work with out in the field without the proper tools. Also tends to bunch up (goober I call it ) when removing it etc.
March 12, 2008 at 3:49 am #47162Conway Stevens
ParticipantHere is my two cents. Use what you are going to use. Every method has pros and cons. The strength of todays bolt material is sufficient enough for most of todays projects. I also have seen in both mount systems that have gotten ripped out say during powered accent and the chute comes out and subjects the rocket to some severe forces. I have seen eye bolts bend, rip and tear, I have seen them get ripped out of motor cases. I have seen lifting eye pull threads and let go. I have seen u-bolts get ripped out of…yes…G10 and plywood. Most people use all thread with lifting eyes, that is the weak spot on that design as all thread is rated less than a grade 1 strength. So stop arguing over which system is better. They both work the about the same. Use what works for you.
Me I would use lock nuts. Loctite is a great product but can be a pain to work with out in the field without the proper tools. Also tends to bunch up (goober I call it ) when removing it etc.
Sorry Mike cant agree with you on the all thread… I sell the stuff Its rated at at grade 5 in Stainless steel and the standard stuff is grade 2 at a minimum.. And it is far from the weak spot.. Try pulling apart the length of one with what ever you want.. Not bend it in half but pull it lengthwise and its more then strong enough… While I will agree with you, there are more then sufficient ways to do things and not anyone way is wrong as well as there are as many equal things that take them apart.. I dont see any issues here just folks entering into opinionated conversation, If that comes off as arguing… sorry. But I isnt arguing with no one… 😉
And JW I use 2 wire ties on each end of my ebay forged eye bolts to keep them from turning as well.. they work great!!!
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