Lawsuit Update

[Anonymous]

Indeed, this is awesome. I wouldn’t be counting my K motors before they are hatched, though. Some of you are members of other forums, and you may have seen Anthony Cesaroni’s comments – he said “I’d be very surprised if the BATFE will take this sitting down and I’m willing to wager that there is plenty of wiggle room left in that regard.”

Indeed, something tells me the BATFE isn’t going away. All that said? This is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than being on the other end of the stick.

[Bruce R. Schaefer]

Well-said, John. Being optimistic, maybe this is part of the new administration’s “change.” I know, stretching hope too far. What it is, is just a judge who could see through lies and false science and a really bad case put forth at our expense–on both sides of it! Just so everyone knows, it’s not the BATFE agents pushing this; they’re just doing what they are told and their jobs. It’s their bosses we have to aware of. Let’s just enjoy this victory, even if it’s temporary, and keep it safe!

[muleParticipant]

All it takes is a memorandum to change the law. I have seen it over the past 3 years with building legal semi auto arms out of demilled to ATF specs machine gun kits. They don’t have to justify anything, they just do it. AND can make it retroactive. They have come to people’s homes and taken kits based on a parts sellers manifest that was confiscated. Just because they decided some part needed to be torch cut some more….. No judges, no law makers decisions, just some head honcho flexing his muscles. I don’t know what a K motor costs, but imagine some chap coming to your door to collect your $1200 parts kit – or K motor because they went to Tim’s house and confiscated his sales records.

[Nutsymptom]

So what exactly does this ruling mean?

If APCP is no longer on the explosives list, then we are free to purchase any motors/loads we want with no LEUP required? Does BATFE have ANY jurisdiction regarding motors anymore? What about storage requirements? I assume that the HAZMAT shipping regs are unaffected by this ruling.

[Anonymous]

All those details are being worked thru now. NAR / TRA sent out something that basically said “don’t tear up your LEUP”, “don’t be rude to your BATFE agent”, “Details getting hammered out”, etc. Of course there could still be appeals filed by BATFE as well.

While we are all hopeful and feeling pretty chipper, there will almost assuredly be some further discussions, negotiations, perhaps a compromise or two. These things seldom go away quietly.

[new2hprParticipant]

For those of us who fly almost exclusively with the club, I don’t see how this ruling affects us that much, as Tim is at nearly every launch. Those rare occasions, it would be nice to have a small stock on hand, but I’d rather not store a bunch if I don’t have to.

As long as his stock stays where it’s at, or better, I see no reason to go elsewhere, unless I get some wild hair to fly something he doesn’t carry (though I can’t think just yet what that’d be?)

Heck, the decreased regulations should help Tim out, at least easing the paperwork burden slightly.

Ken

[Jeffrey Joe HintonModerator]

Okay – the latest authorized release of information from TRA/NAR has been posted as a front page story. It’s still good news in my book and I am not going to waste any energy thinking about the what if’s and all of the other possibilities that might or might not happen. I’ve waited this long for resolution and can certainly wait some more. When it is all said and done, I’ll still be out there flying my rockets and doing so safely.

[muleParticipant]

Ken,
It makes a difference to those who make their own motors, make motors for others, travel out of state or want to buy big motors that aren’t used much.

Patience grasshoppers – nothing with the gubbment is simple or fast. 😆

[new2hprParticipant]

Yup, forgot about the home-brewed motors. Should be quite a help to those pursuing the dark art.

It’s on my list, but way out there right now. 1st employment, 2nd L2, then …

Ken

[James Russell]

there are other complications and rules and reg that many may not remember, know about or see, DOT regulations are still unaffected by these changes as is the NAR/TRA rules and then you also have to look at the other items used in the hobby that are still regulated. Nothing has changed right now but if unchallenged it will be in effect 60 days from the the date of his judgment.

I hope to hear and update from the ATFE (what they can share) in the next day or so, they had a meeting today to discuss what this means and were they will go from here. I hope it is home;) but not likely. You can expect many updates, rumors and opinions for the next few weeks I am sure!

Hopefully with the igniter issue already being worked on, some relief may still be in the near future.

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