Motor storage

[Bruce R. Schaefer]

Well, my LEUP paperwork is in a folder, along with my handgun permit, all I need is to get fingerprinted. First of all, worst case, I want to thank James, Conway, and Art AGAIN for my L3 this past June. At least, I’ve had one successful, highest power flight in my life. I’ll have the rocket, Nadine’s pictures (in time) and Dave1’s upcoming DVD to remember it. Best case, all this will pass. Of course, it won’t pass. Those who have gotten their LEUP’s have done the wise thing, IMO. I hold no grief to any BATFE agent. They’re just doing their job, and a number of them fly high power. That’s just the way the world is now. I can definitely understand Warren’s frustration and anger. If it comes to me building a rocket and I need one of those with a LEUP to load my motor until I get a LEUP, whatever. I gotta fly. 😯

[Conway StevensParticipant]

Exactly Bruce. If you love what you do and want to do it and it means enough to you, you will find a way and do what needs to be done. Thats all there is to it. I really dont find it to be as big of a deal as its made out to be. They have a Job and I want my rocketry. So I will buck up. As well as become a vendor and try to do what I can to assist others who enjoy this hobby as other vendors and LEUP holders do. I know not everyone can get a permit. Or have storage. Maybe something there we can help with as well. one thing for sure I am NOT going anywhere..

[Conway StevensParticipant]

That’s the opposite of what I read in the orange book and the discussions on the TRA forum some months back – it seems to clearly say that they have the right to search your “premises” with no specificity that it is exclusively limited to your records and magazine.

Warren

Orange book online as well as the one I own says

§ 55.24 Right of entry and examination.
Any ATF officer may enter during business hours
the premises, including places of storage, of any
licensee or permittee for the purpose of inspecting
or examining any records or documents required to
be kept under this part, and any explosive materials
kept or stored at the premises.
[T.D. ATF-87, 46 FR 40384, Aug. 7, 1981

Also under section

§ 843.

(f) Licensees and Permittees shall make available for inspection at all reasonable times their records kept pursuant to this chapter or the regulations issued hereunder, and shall submit to the Sceretary such reports and information with respect to such records and the contents thereof as he shall by regulations prescribe. The Secretary may enter durning bussiness hours the premises (including places of storage) of any licensee or permittee, for the purpose of inspecting or examining…

(1) Any records or documents required to be kept by such licensee or permittee, Under the provisions of this chapter or regulations issued hereunder.
(2) AND any explosive materials kept or stored by such licensee or permittee at such premises.

No where di I ever read we can come and search everything you have, your car your residence your person. It was pretty specific about when and what.. Not a real big ordel to me i guess. But this is what the orange book reads.

Conway

[James Russell]

you do feel like you have to pull your pants down for them but they would need to have a reason to search your home. their may be some HLS thing that might give the power to search someones home but it would be the same for a non-permit holder as well if they have a suspicion. we all in this hobby may be a little more exposed then others but I do not think it is more or less with or with out a permit.

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