NAR Event in 2007!

[Bruce R. Schaefer]

Well, I appreciate that. Besides the temporary unemployment (should be resolved this month), some muscles in my right hand have atrophied, and it takes a lot to type anything. Long story short, muscles contract, so the ones that lift my fingers on the right hand are the ones that have atrophied. Going to a neurologist this Thursday, probably a pinched nerve in my 7th vert. Haven’t even been able to notify Russ Anthony about the NAR event yet. Since I’ll be going through hand rehabilitation at some point soon, getting my L3 at MHM is getting more and more important to me. Must rest, then I’ll be back to pick up the NAR event details!

[Bruce R. Schaefer]

Okay, here goes. While the actual launch date still needs to be determined (April or June?), after this year’s launch dates are posted and we check with CRASH/COSROCS for launch date conflicts, whether we have an Open or Regional meet isn’t important. Once the events are determined, we’ll just add the weighting factors and see what we end up with. The important thing is that we select contests that we, and others, want to do. From all of what’s been said, here is a list as a starting point:

1) Spot Landing (impulse younger members, Div. A)
2) F Egg Loft Duration WF 29 (Good practice for the H999 “uncontest”)
3) G Super-Roc Duration WF 20 (Dale needs this… )
4) E Boost Glider Duration WF 23 (Nate has his ready!)

Notice that these are all duration events (except Spot Landing). While using a theodolite isn’t difficult, proper training takes time and practice. I don’t think we should ask CRASH members to come and do all the work. For duration, we just need a couple of good timers with tenth of a second resolution (and I don’t mean those who hit the beer cooler a tenth of a second after the waiver closes 🙂 ) . Dave2, I know this conflicts somewhat with what you suggested. Although the Spot Landing and Parachute Duration events can be used with any off-the-shelf kit. But since most of our members are high power guys, these events would appeal to them more. Could be wrong on that though, not my call. We could easily and SHOULD throw in a parachute or streamer duration event for younger members. Conway is right, this is for future rocket people, too. Let’s throw a C parachute duration in.

5) C Parachute Duration WF 9

For argument’s sake, that would give us a WF of 85 and a Regional Launch. Remember this is a ONE DAY event. Any more than five contest events, IMHO, is too much for one day. This is pushing the envelope. Okay, let’s start from here… suggestions?

[Chris LaPanse]

I think it’s a good list. Although I’m not really a serious competitor, I would definitely throw something together – possibly the glider or eggloft (the superroc would be a possibility, but a bit ambitious…). It definitely sounds like something I would try though, and the duration rather than altitude side adds an extra bit of complexity.

EDIT: hmm – after looking around a bit, I could definitely do the boost glider event, as much as anything to challenge Nate 😆

[denverdoc]

Bruce,

Sorry to hear of the neurological problems. Hope this turns out well for you with the MRI.

David Tjarks has sent out a message on the Crash site, so no worry there. I also talked a little while back with Jason U but since little was definite, only asked for guys to start thinking about events.

The first time our club in Utah did a low altitude event–no one there had ever tracked we got closure rates of about 80 percent. So there is a learning curve when you consider the F altitude event at NARAM this year had 95% plus.

It might be fun some time when we return to North, just to pick some good spots for the theos, and try tracking some LPR and MPR flights when there is nothing at stake. We could throw up some lobs and see how the results compare to altimeter readings and let those with any interest get some practice. One lesson learned, flyers who threw up big clouds of tempura or chalk dust got closed nearly every time. I think altitude events wait for now. Maybe next year.

If you follow Crash, they have a neat method of democratically deciding events. A pool of interesting events is generated, then people submit combinations on-line, these get voted on and haggled over until there is clear favorite. I’ll bet Russ would help.

But first things first, date and open vs regional. And hey in deference to Dale, we should do the super noodle–if nothing else it should almost meet Wilke’s 1/3rds law of entertainment value: 1/3 are qualified, 1/3 shred, 1/3 rd are lost. Only in this case more like 50/50 between the first two. (Now that I have a case back, I plan to fly a w9 egg lofter next month at atlas just for all those skeptics.)
John S

[Chris LaPanse]

Hey – I’ll gladly fly a W9 egglofter, and I’ll guarantee egg survival too. It won’t be next month, but I’ll do it…

The problem would be that I’m not sure I have electronics that will handle it – my R-DAS only has an accel sensor good for 50 gees…

[denverdoc]

Hey – I’ll gladly fly a W9 egglofter, and I’ll guarantee egg survival too. It won’t be next month, but I’ll do it…

The problem would be that I’m not sure I have electronics that will handle it – my R-DAS only has an accel sensor good for 50 gees…

R-Das???? Xmas gift? Sweet, next I’ll be hearing GPS and all the trimmings. 8)

I think someone should give Jim A a call. How many of us have Missile works altimeters. The achilles heel is the cap. If that can be partially potted, and not void any warranty, I’ll bet the Missile works with the thru hole construction is good to well beyond 50gees. By the time a 38mm rocket egg lofter has the egg and cushioning whatever, I’ll bet the gee loads are not much more than 50–thats part of the beauty of this competition. If you’re worried can always build a 5 # brick
JS

[Chris LaPanse]

Yep, R-DAS tiny as my xmas gift this year. I was really happy when I opened the wrapping and the package said it was from the Netherlands 😀 No GPS and trimmings yet, though telemetry would be awesome…

I wonder if it could go beyond 50 gees without damaging anything? If so, I could set the deployment on a timer instead of on apogee detect, and it would work fine (G-switch sensing only needs 0.25 sec, so it would work with W9). It’s got 2 axis accel plus baro, all sampled 200 times a second for up to 29 minutes, so it’s a wonderful little unit. 4 outputs too 😯 The project possibilities have been running through my mind since getting it 😀

[denverdoc]

Chris,

The R-Das is still the state of the art on several dimensions, but pricey! But hey you deserve it. Get the folks to throw in a trip to Amsterdam on grad, and you’ll be in for a real treat. I wouldn’t fly it unless you’re really fixed on measuring gees. Just do an estimate and baro deploy.
J

[Chris LaPanse]

Heh…

It would be the altimeter of choice for this contest (and of course I’m flying it). Honestly though, I’m more concerned about the NAR events for competition than the eggloft – I think that some of the events in the competition will be significantly harder than the H999 eggloft will be. We’ll see though…

[denverdoc]

As present there is no competiton, but I think it would be a fun tack-on for MHM. I’m gonna fly a feasability in feb with a 2.6 inch payload section on a 38mm booster, MW altimeter.
J

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