Thoughts on Super Single Shot - Northern Colorado Rocketry

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January 16, 2007 at 11:41 pm #43871
Warren B. Musselman
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Rules are already posted under Articles and News Archive in the main menu.

Single Shot Sweepstakes rules http://www.ncrocketry.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=5

Super Single Shot Sweepstakes Rules http://www.ncrocketry.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=13
January 16, 2007 at 11:59 pm #43872
Anonymous
Now, if you limited the flying to only Mile High Mayhem and/or Oktoberfest, the out of towners could have a chance…

Doug

I plan to fly SSS in May, in large part because there will be a greater chance of recovery — more folks out wandering around, helping find the rocket, etc. Last year, the winning flights were flown in October for SSSS and November for SSS. The November conditions were hardly favorable. Two years ago, Ed won the SSS on a frigid December day.

To many, part of the allure and part of the game is seeing who-does-what-when. That said, May and October are really pretty good months to let ‘er rip.

JW
January 17, 2007 at 12:02 am #43873
Anonymous
Rules are already posted under Articles and News Archive in the main menu.

Warren, those are last year’s rules… substantially the same, though we need to change dates and motor, as we are using the Road Runner G80 this year…. We also need to get the SSSS up. I know you are busy, and I don’t want to sound like I’m nitpicking, but we may have a lot of outsiders and newbies this year……..
January 17, 2007 at 4:59 am #43874
denverdoc
I really hate to be crimped by the use of one motor as I expressed at the mtg, staging rules, and those too afraid of the variables need to be induced to try it. But here we go again. I suggest an elite SSSS buy in of 250 dollars that has no bearing on the overall SSSS payout, a side bet for those like Warren with confidence in their designs. Now heres the kicker–same altimeter, same day, no dance, just one hand of five stud. Draw straws for order of launch. We have two or more Mawds or whatever is agreed upon.
John S
January 17, 2007 at 12:24 pm #43875
Anonymous
I really hate to be crimped by the use of one motor as I expressed at the mtg, staging rules, and those too afraid of the variables need to be induced to try it. But here we go again. I suggest an elite SSSS buy in of 250 dollars that has no bearing on the overall SSSS payout, a side bet for those like Warren with confidence in their designs. Now heres the kicker–same altimeter, same day, no dance, just one hand of five stud. Draw straws for order of launch. We have two or more Mawds or whatever is agreed upon.
John S

I might play in something like that. A situation like that has some nuances of its own, though. Suppose I go first and my chute is somewhat tangled up and the altimeter lands really hard. Not at all fair to the next guy. Or what if there are five guys in the game, and the third guy loses the altimeter?

Any set of rules will have some ups and downs, no pun intended. I personally like everyone using the same motor.

As far as getting several guys to flyin the same day… to date, we haven’t been able to get five guys to fly in the same *season* 🙂
January 17, 2007 at 2:41 pm #43876
Doug Gerrard
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I personally like everyone using the same motor.

As far as getting several guys to flyin the same day… to date, we haven’t been able to get five guys to fly in the same *season*

Although I would probably prefer a greater choice in motor selection I like the idea of making it different than just a J class altitude attempt which anyone could fly at anytime.

So if you’re willing to have some restrictions, why not have the limitation to fly at a particular launch like MHM? I agree that it is likely that most of the local competitors would fly then, but they don’t have too. Local fliers have the option of waiting until a later month with no problems.

Let me include that I am not suggesting that you change your rules just for me. Some of these competitions do intrigue me. But if your desire is the increase the number of competitors, perhaps consider a contest that someone like me that attends only the major launches could has the same opportunities as the local fliers. Just my 2 cents…

Doug
January 17, 2007 at 3:37 pm #43877
denverdoc
I might play in something like that. A situation like that has some nuances of its own, though. Suppose I go first and my chute is somewhat tangled up and the altimeter lands really hard. Not at all fair to the next guy. Or what if there are five guys in the game, and the third guy loses the altimeter?

Any set of rules will have some ups and downs, no pun intended. I personally like everyone using the same motor.

As far as getting several guys to flyin the same day… to date, we haven’t been able to get five guys to fly in the same *season* 🙂

I don’t know that they have to be the exact altimeter–just the same brand and general vintage, and have at least two in case one is lost or takes a knock,
John S
January 18, 2007 at 2:45 am #43878
Anonymous
denverdoc wrote:

I don’t know that they have to be the exact altimeter–just the same brand and general vintage, and have at least two in case one is lost or takes a knock,
John S

This seems to underscore the very problem with trying to make a one-size-fits-all set of rules… Your choice is to not to be restricted to the same motor as everyone else, yet you DO want the altimeter to be restricted. The next person will want the same motor, but not the same altimeter (actually, that is what we are doing now).

It is just really, really hard to please everyone. These are truly all great, valid ideas that in and of themself are worthy of exploration. The current rules were drafted to entice the maximum number of flyers.

The “open motor” competitions, such as Icarus, tend to die on the vine. I thought Icarus was a really cool contest that had some intrigue. Any motor that was 640NS or less was allowed. I even flew an H a couple of years ago. Sadly, last year, we had a single flyer for Icarus.

Perhaps we should try to do something aside from SSS and SSSS at MHM? I’d play. Here’s a suggestion — a single blast, and you have to predict your altitude BEFORE the flight. Closest on a percentage basis wins the wad. This way, no one would have to build a special rocket nor buy a specific motor. Ten buck per entry. Winner take all. Who is in?
January 18, 2007 at 3:03 am #43879
denverdoc
John, I think you have some good points but have managed to misrepresent my view. I am frustrated by the fact this is a poker hand I can’t win. I have built rockets each of the three years we had this, and while highly competitive designs, never flew one. This year was no exception.

So I’m proposing the purest pink slip contest I can think of–one day, one motor, one altimeter. Noone can slink away muttering about this or that, weather, altimetry, motors, etc. Its balls to the wall, and hey in the spirit of a pink slip contest, $$. Winning 250 doesn’t offer a lot of motivation when its a couple hours of work for me, while building such a rocket might take ten, but losing 250 and bragging rights factor carries for me some major motivation.
😉
JS
January 18, 2007 at 3:25 am #43880
Anonymous
I am frustrated by the fact this is a poker hand I can’t win. I have built rockets each of the three years we had this, and while highly competitive designs, never flew one. This year was no exception.

Me very confused. How does going from 8-10 chances to fly down to a singular date improve your poker hand?

Further to that, how is this current arrangement stacked against you (or any of us?)

I don’t understand your premise that you have a “poker hand that you can’t win”…. We all have the same cards here.

Am I missing something?

JW
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