Level 3 – Need TAPs for my Certification Project

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  • #46391
    Doug Gerrard
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    I did some searches on Photosonics 1VN, and one place that I contacted is a consignment broker. His question was how much would I pay and what lens would I want on it? He can also build a 28V Ni-Cad battery pack for it. So… my question to you, is what is the going rate for this and your choice of lens (wide angle?)

    I use the 1VN for many of my onboard cameras and I have contacts if you are interested in acquiring one. The film has to be spooled onto a core in a darkroom and initially loaded into the magazine. I’d be happy to show you how or even just load the film for you. They have dual pin registered movement for rock solid images.

    I started out with Super 8 and it is an excellent way to go. But don’t go spending money on a camera. If I can find them, I have a whole box of Super 8 cameras and I would be happy to give you one. I bet I even have one in an old rocket complete with film. They are not high speed but can be made to run at higher speeds by increasing the voltage to the motor. It can result in some very good images and the cost is not as bad as 16 mm.

    Doug

    #46392
    slipstick

    I started out with Super 8 and it is an excellent way to go. But don’t go spending money on a camera. If I can find them, I have a whole box of Super 8 cameras and I would be happy to give you one. I bet I even have one in an old rocket complete with film. They are not high speed but can be made to run at higher speeds by increasing the voltage to the motor. It can result in some very good images and the cost is not as bad as 16 mm.

    Doug

    Well… thank you for your generosity. It would be a nice start. I had my own darkroom as a kid, and did black and white development while on board the USS Coral Sea during Vietnam, but I would want to rely on your expertise for this. Hmmm, One of my hobbies is writing screenplays. Maybe we can collaborate on a drama based on high powered rocketry that becomes infiltrated w/ bad guys. Show it at an independant film festival. 8)

    #46393
    Warren B. Musselman
    Moderator

    As a final comment on the L2 cert, I was in contact (for other reasons) with Pat Gordzelik and Kevin Trojanowski of the Tripoli Board and casually mentioned this situation. According to Pat:

    Hmm, tuff spot for Joe.

    However, I might have made the same call. I said might. Depends on the guy, depends on the conditions. Chances are I would have reasoned with “Mike” and tell him to do it over again, but again, I was not there.

    L2 certification recovery is different than L3 as it does not require the candidate to “call his pocket”, ie, it makes no difference if the deployment on an L2 was “as planned”, recovery is all that is required. Yep, only the drogue came out, yep, it landed in a snow drift, yep, the only recovery requirement is that a recovery device is deployed and safely lands the vehicle under the conditions present, enabling the vehicle to fly again without repairs.

    Lastly, this “Mike” dude seems to be blessed and highly favored by the rocket gods.(Surely that snow drift the rocket landed on was not chance ūüėČ ). I would not risk the rocket god’s wrath by flailing this issue, if it was me.

    Feel free to share this with your group.

    Pat G

    So congratulations Mike on your successful L2. Given that you are flying it again in February on the J570, I wish you the best of luck on a successful deployment – please use those ematches I gave you to do further ground testing and I’ll be happy to provide you with more of them if you need them. You’re way too psyched and pumped up about this to hold back and I for one would like to see you get your L3 at MHM (along with myself!). That L2 bird is a beautiful piece of work and deserves a few more flights to say the least.

    Good luck.

    Warren

    #46394
    SCOTT EVANS

    I started out with Super 8 and it is an excellent way to go. But don’t go spending money on a camera. If I can find them, I have a whole box of Super 8 cameras and I would be happy to give you one. I bet I even have one in an old rocket complete with film. They are not high speed but can be made to run at higher speeds by increasing the voltage to the motor. It can result in some very good images and the cost is not as bad as 16 mm.

    Doug

    Well… thank you for your generosity. It would be a nice start. I had my own darkroom as a kid, and did black and white development while on board the USS Coral Sea during Vietnam, but I would want to rely on your expertise for this. Hmmm, One of my hobbies is writing screenplays. Maybe we can collaborate on a drama based on high powered rocketry that becomes infiltrated w/ bad guys. Show it at an independant film festival. 8)

    Soooo-
    How much would you pay the Actors? 8)

    scotte

    #46395
    Bruce R. Schaefer

    Mike, it is wise to re-fly. Once that is done, the question will have been resolved.

    #46396
    James Russell

    not wanting to second guess, over step someones decision, I respect Joe and Pat and have known them a long time. I was not part of the cert team and did not see the flight but because this has been such an issue I did some reading and thought I would make one last comment

    the scenario was discussed with TRA’s VP and he did not want to second guess or did not fell what Joe did was out of line.

    I did read TRA’s cert info, I will let you all read it and make your own conclusions.

    please read both links below and pay attention to the description of a safe flight out lined in the L1 cert and then read the L2 cert. it does not go into detail but uses the same working “safe flight”

    http://tripoli.org/cert/howto_level1.shtml

    http://tripoli.org/cert/howto_level2.shtml

    NAR has a very similar wording:

    5. The individual will fly his model. The flight must be witnessed by the certification team members. Stability, deployment of the recovery system, and safe recovery should be considered when evaluating safety of the flight. Models experiencing a catastrophic failure of the airframe, rocket motor, and/or recovery system (e.g., shock cord separation) will not be considered as having a safe flight.

    Mike I think you are doing the right thing by re-flying do to the controversy this has started.

    #46397
    slipstick

    Mike, it is wise to re-fly. Once that is done, the question will have been resolved.

    You, bet. I’ll want to burn a few other motors as well.

    Do you happen to have an extra piece of 5″ coupler from PR that I can use to make a zipperless design on my L3? If not I’ll order a piece from Curtis.

    I’m also looking for some 4-6 oz carbon kevlar cloth. Did anyone buy too much?

    #46398
    Warren B. Musselman
    Moderator

    This thread is starting to get a bit long and has wandered a bit from its original purpose. I’m going to lock it and ask Mike to start another one with a more appropriate topic title if he wants to continue it. Personally I’d like to see him post something more about his GPS system and the telemetry downlink. I think a bunch of other folks are interested in that too.

    By the way, when I cut off threads at 4 or 5 pages, it is due to technical reasons. The forum software here on the site can exhibit a nasty little bug on longer threads that can corrupt the database. It’s a pain to fix. If folks want to continue with this thread, just start a new one with the same name and add Part II.

    Warren

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